Elections 2012

Discussion in 'Debate' started by TexasGamer, Mar 6, 2012.

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  1. Alurios

    Alurios Active Member

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    The problem with the federal reserve is that despite having the gold to back our dollar the weaker it gets the more of those dollars we need to buy things. Personally I don't have an idea for a better fix but it sure isn't print more.

    Mandatory schooling is an issue for me because if we cant actually get better education in at those places and we have idiots being forced to go they're holding back people who want to learn (Prime example typing this) Sure they might learn a little bit but everyone else is held back greatly. I'm saying eliminate the part where it's forced, allow parents to decide to send their children and if they dont go when they reach adulthood and have not been educated stick em in the lower end jobs (where 90% of the time they end up anyhow) However if those kids are home schooled allow them to take a test (GED?) that would allow them to stand a fair chance out there. Either way, our education system is broken.

    And finally losing our rights for big business sake, I have two words there. SOPA and ACTA. Good day.
     
  2. Scytone

    Scytone TheRipper12

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    Home schooling is always, and has always been an option. Your explanation for mandatory schooling being an issue has major flaws.
    First off. A school not teaching well, and people being required to go to school are very different things. Right now, Private school is always an option, home school is always an option. But No school should never be an option.
    You can't do anything when you are uneducated unless you are some fluke of a child. People need to learn to read and write properly otherwise our nation as a whole will just start devolving. Public school should not be holding back anyone who wants to learn. If you want to learn you will do well in public school, and get grants and scholarships to go to truly good schools.
    Sorry, but that argument just doesn't hold water.

    You got me on SOPA and ACTA. Except not really, because that's just congress proposing things. Obama is 100% against SOPA and ACTA. You are saying that The Governments ability to take in ideas, vote on them, and try and pass them... Is a bad thing. SOPA and ACTA are part of Ideas people in congress tried to push forward. Taking away that right takes away any sort of say civilians have in government, because voting is fucking important.

    You need to do more research on this stuff before you make such bold claims. SOPA and ACTA is just an Idea that promotes Big Business. Our nation is BUILT upon listening to ideas and proposing plans. SOPA and ACTA are just ideas and plans that got further than they should have. Is that the 'Government' as a wholes fault? No that's the people in Congress' fault.
     
  3. Alurios

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    I think you misunderstood, I meant that they were trying to push things the people stand highly against, Which tends to happen with a great deal of frequency. As for public schooling, I'm sorry but regardless how much you want to learn you will still be held back by students who do not. Private schooling is not always an option for people unable to afford it. As for needing to learn to read and write, that's a moot point, take a look around you at how poorly people (including myself) are able to communicate anymore. I dunno maybe I'm not the one to really talk about this sort of thing but no one can deny our school systems are failing. I'll be leaving this now to prevent getting to heated with my derpery.
     
  4. Rahau

    Rahau Friendly Neighbor

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    To me it seems that all of the republican candidates range from questionably shifty to batshit crazy (Santorum). I would vote for Obama, because he's a known quantity. He has done some good, the country could be worse, and it could be better, but Obama has kept us floating. He might be a mediocre president, and he might be a brilliant one, its hard to tell for the average person. The republican candidates are unknowns. Some of them are obviously bad, but some of them are hard to tell. Voting for a republican is a gamble, but voting for Obama is a safe choice. We know that Obama will do OK, if not amazing, but if we elect a republican, we might get screwed over. Personally I'd prefer not to take that gamble.
     
  5. Rahau

    Rahau Friendly Neighbor

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    There are many 'private' schools that do not charge money, but instead admit students on a merit or lottery basis.
     
  6. alexanderpas

    alexanderpas I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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    As a european, I really don't understand this one.

    What's bad about having a social(ist) agenda, because socialist doesn't need to mean communist.

    A prime example if a Non-Marxist-Leninist Democratic Socialist State is the Portugese Republic (Portugal).
     
  7. TexasGamer

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    There is nothing inherently wrong with Socialism itself. Sure, the idea of free healthcare and government benefits sound fantastic, but the problem lies in the fact that the US can't afford to provide those services at this point (maybe with a re-balancing of the budget, but the $14 trillion debt seems like a bigger issue). On top of that, the US wasn't built and setup to be Socialist. (That one is more of my opinion, because things can change...)
     
  8. Rahau

    Rahau Friendly Neighbor

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    Also, in the US socialist means enemy. Most of the wars we've fought in the last 60 years have been against one socialist or another, and our governments have indoctrinated us so much that when we hear the word 'socialist', we have an immediate negative pang in our minds.
     
  9. xXMadNessXx

    xXMadNessXx Beware of the MadNess

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    Because socialist means more money for the poor, and less for the rich. Wake up, america.
     
  10. xXMadNessXx

    xXMadNessXx Beware of the MadNess

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    I just heard Newt Gingrich saying that the palestinian people don't come from israel (which was called palestina, the holy land, which they found and claimed after they got away from egypt) and that they should stop lieing about history. Ouch. He has studied and didn't know shit about history?
     
  11. Roflwaflz

    Roflwaflz Caprinae

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    THIS. FUCKING THIS. THANK YOU. WE CANNOT AFFORD SHIT.
     
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  12. alexanderpas

    alexanderpas I'll show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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    xXMadNessXx Beware of the MadNess

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    And you should stop being all like "I wanna drop some BOMBS in like every fucking country that has oil in it". You are spending way too much on "defense" so ... your country has the money but they don't give a shit about the poor people that can't afford healthcare.
     
  14. Alurios

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    NOPE! Let's get to bombing China, they bought up oil so they have it now!
     
  15. Cranimesao

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    3 words

    Cran for president.

    FTFY
     
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    Ron Paul is my optimal choice. As it's likely going to be Obama v. Romney, I will have to do more research.

    At this time, I'd vote for anyone who'd take action to completely repeal the NDAA.
     
  17. gknova61

    gknova61 Farbes Lover

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    +1, he is the best president !
     
  19. Roflwaflz

    Roflwaflz Caprinae

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    So Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.
     
  20. lasertrex

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    What. The. ****.

    But seriously, not knowing much about each candidate or america itself, i think that the country has taken its ideals too far but it lloks like there is no way back anymore, the people are used to this way of life. I think massive changes cant be handled by most so its going to take a long time to get america back on track. Maybe a candidate who is not so progressive as obama would do good. I think i would have voted (with the info i had here in the netherlands) for obama last time, great ideas, but for some reason not for america, americans and their way of life, values etc.
    So the best candidate would be a person who would make slight changes over the years instead of large drastic ones.
    As i see in my country, cutback after cutback isnt helping the economy to get back on track again. The government should stimulate the economy so it can make money again to get out of the crisis. You would thibk they would have learned from the 1920s.
     
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