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Vanishing items

Discussion in 'Suggest + Report Bugs + Get Help' started by kaitoyuuki, 4 October 2012.

  1. kaitoyuuki

    kaitoyuuki Red Wizard

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    Two times now have I lost something valuable to unknown circumstances. Countless times I have lost much less valuable items.
    I have no idea what triggers it, but I have now lost a power teleport pipe and a world anchor. When I was trying to pick up the power teleport pipe, it appeared that I had picked it up, but it was not in my inventory. When I placed the world anchor, it instantly disappeared and never showed back up in my inventory.
    I have no idea why or how this happens, but I would really like my stuff back. I don't have resources to waste making them again at the moment.
     
  2. Neonbeta

    Neonbeta Person who did stuff and things

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    Then get the resources and make them again. I can say it has happened to me before though, its mostly due to lag i think since the last time it happened to me was when it was lagging badly and i dropped a steadfast queen (early days of the reset) and i relogged and i never saw it again. RIP Steadfast queen :'(
     
  3. Chaeris

    Chaeris Active Member

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    Makes me think of old pokemon versions when everyone were younger, with that f******* wire that failed 9/10 times, I lost every legendary pokemons this way ;)
    Then now I hate such laggs, when you make something, just please make it to work everytime, and not to fail ;)
    (this message affects nearly everyone)
     
  4. gknova61

    gknova61 Farbes Lover

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    From what I saw on the forums, the server has been getting rollbacks when it crashes...
     
  5. Chaeris

    Chaeris Active Member

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    It's normal: It's because of the map, as real, not every part of the server has been rolled back at the same point, some are just 10 secs before but for others it is 10 mins or more, btw if sk89q makes backup himself then yes, all the map is rolled back at the same time.
     
  6. gknova61

    gknova61 Farbes Lover

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    This could tie into his items "vanishing". Maybe his inventory rolledback.
     
  7. Chaeris

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    Adding the fact that servers are crashing a lot, could be possible that just heavy laggs are making it, personally I got legally a certain number of infos about the server, that could tell that it should only happen to Alice (cause it is not the same hoster than Vincent) and also it is a dedicated server, where sk89q probably just put Java + the server, this means that the whole machine is used for that "only", but both Vincent and Alice are registered from the same website (hetzner.de I think)... Could be a problem with the machine, to know, just turn on a test server on the Vincent machine, if there are the same laggs, then it is the physical machine loosing power, like it happened just before, or maybe sk89q took a shared hosting plan, and another fcking guy doing something else with the machine is fucking us up ;)
     
  8. kaitoyuuki

    kaitoyuuki Red Wizard

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    no, these items vanished right as I placed or removed them. There was no crash around the time of the action, either.
     
  9. gknova61

    gknova61 Farbes Lover

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    Would've been under heavy load perhaps?
     
  10. kaitoyuuki

    kaitoyuuki Red Wizard

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    Actually, there wasn't any lag at that time, as far as I remember.
    The items simply vanished. One thing to note about the world anchor incident is that I unintentionally placed it on a halfblock, and it appeared for a second before disappearing.
     
  11. TexasGamer

    TexasGamer Well-Known Member

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    This is "normal" because the server is run on a RAM disk for faster performance. The map is moved from volatile memory (RAM) to the SSD at a regular basis, but a sudden crash can cause some minor loss between backups.
     
  12. Chaeris

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    I am not sure but... does the fact that the server has a RAMDisk means that the server has like 1Tb of RAM ?
     
  13. TexasGamer

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    No, it means the server uses more of its 32GB of RAM (I think that's what the server has, at least). It uses the RAM as storage for either just the map or the entire server instance.
     
  14. Chaeris

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    ****, sk89q need to code in assembly a way for the ram not to be lost with a server crash (yes in assembly, you should know why ;))
     
  15. kaitoyuuki

    kaitoyuuki Red Wizard

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    Chaeris... The reason stuff is lost when the server crashes is simply because it didn't save it. It's the same as closing any other program without saving your changes. Now, there is the autosave feature for a lot of programs, but the server also has this. However, it only happens every so often. There is no guarantee that everything will be saved.
     
  16. Chaeris

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    I DON'T CARE! I code assembly, and I can tell you that... IT IS POSSIBLE TO MAKE EVERYTHING WITH IT, as long as you have good knowledges on that... also a great logic ;)
    (I'm telling I'll make it, as you said it is really often ,and also I don't know just how the hell to assemble a .asm file, I don't really code a lot in assembly, I just understand everything :D)
     
  17. TexasGamer

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    No, Chaeris, it doesn't work like that. kaitoyuuki is correct.

    The inherit problem with RAM disks is the lack of safety in a sudden shut down. It's no different than unplugging your computer. You can make the server back up all the time, but that defeats the purpose of the RAM disk.
     
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  18. Chaeris

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    I though that looking at the way I wrote up my message, you'll get that I were completely joking, I know that the RAM flushes physically and that it's not something changeable, the only possible (but useless ?) thing to do is just to save the whole state of the machine like in the hibernate mode on windows, sorry if I looked noob about computer components, it were a joke :/
     
  19. kaitoyuuki

    kaitoyuuki Red Wizard

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    sarcasm is not your strong point...
     
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  20. Chaeris

    Chaeris Active Member

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    I know, I always make bad jokes, and people just don't laugh, the worse one are those made using extremely unknown reference, but *bad joke mode enabled* I always throw 1d20 to see if I'll make people laugh ;)