If large machine arrays are the problem, why not require large machine arrays to be built off the main island? A plot of land isn't very large, you cant fit that many machines easily. Maybe one very large public power system could be made. You don't need much power if you're not building a huge array or trying to power a mass fabricator (which you can build away from the city). Maybe even a public machining complex, with all the IC^2 machines.
I think some people went away from main island, but still have their machines running (like mass fab with a watermill setup). These setups are really great lagmakers, so i suggest it here again, ban them from main island.
Go for it, kira. Make it! I just said that there would be lag. I'm not attacking Mass Fabricators because they require 1,000,000EU just to produce one piece of UU-Matter (without scrap of course) which in my opinion, is alright. Energy Collectors on the other hand just require placing down on the ground and waiting, that is all. I do agree with you thou that you can take out an entire mountain in the blink of an eye. Also, what makes you think my problem stems around mass fabricators? I love them. Furthermore, yes they do need to get the materials for an HV solar but once they got it, as i have stated many times but you fail to comprehend it, it's WHAT THEY DO ONCE THEIR MADE. I DON'T GIVE A DAMN ABOUT THE RESOURCES YOU GET OR THE CRAFTING RECIPE. To prove my point, millfreedom was able to get 7 HV Solars before Alice even got EE and when Alice did get EE, people went crazy and made a damn factory which yielded a very high amount of HV solars. So yeah, my problem is with Compact Solars, not mass fabricators. MAKE A THREAD IN SUGGESTIONS if you want it so badly as i have also previously stated. No matter where this discussion leads to, it won't be to the reinstatement of Compact Solars, so make a suggestion if you want it. Also, weirdie, i update LWJGL regularly and suggest that you should too. It mainly fixes stuck keys (i.e. pressing w and letting go makes the game still think your pressing w) but it also helps in performance as well.
You care what they do with an HV solar once it's made... why? Do you care what I do with 256 water mills? 512 solars? 1 Nuclear reactor? 28 Geothermal Generators? Help me understand why it is so important to you what I do with my resources?
When did i say that i care what you do with your resources? I don't. If you want Compact Solars back on the server, then make a request http://skcraft.com/threads/mod-requests.219/. You asked if i cared about what you do with a bunch of resources then asked me why i cared about your resources. Not only did you fabricate an answer you wanted to hear but your still bumping this thread unnecessarily.
No you very obviously are missing my point: You said: "Furthermore, yes they do need to get the materials for an HV solar but once they got it, as i have stated many times but you fail to comprehend it, it's WHAT THEY DO ONCE THEIR MADE." So your problem with HV Solar Panels is this: what happens with them once they have been made. Before that, the resources required are irrelevant to you. The material and time needed to do it is irrelevant. And yet, I can invest the resources needed to make one HV Panel, which produces an effective 256 EU/T, as they don't run at night, into energy generation that produces equivalent, and also more. That are also cheaper and in their own way more efficient. Oh, and infinite. But for some reason, to you, an HV Solar Panel is unacceptable. Why? Why is it unacceptable? Why are 512 solar panels preferable to a single HV Solar Panel to you? Why are 256 bucket-fed water mills preferable to a single HV Solar Panel? Do you have any problems with MV Solars, which produce 64 EU/T? Do you have any problems with LV Solars, which produce 8 EU/T? And I will make a suggestion in time; that's neither here nor there. And this is actually relevant to the thread as a solution to the "CPU Expensive Machinery" which many people are turning to as there ARE no convenient means to generate Energy that DON'T take a ton of bandwidth. I want to understand your objection to the very obvious solution to this issue.
Question 1: what happens with them once they have been made? Answer 1: You will have 1 block which produces 512EU/T at your disposal, ready to move at a moments notice, whereas with 256 watermills or 512 solar panels, are harder to setup, very little people will have the audacity to do so as it can and most likely will cause lag to both the server and their client. With things like Compact Solars, put solar panels --> crafting table, DONE! 1 HV solar panel. PLOOP on the ground, took a little over a second. Question 2: But for some reason, to you, an HV Solar Panel is unacceptable, Why? Answer 2: Read Answer 1. Question 3: Why is it unacceptable? Why are 512 solar panels preferable to a single HV Solar Panel to you? Why are 256 bucket-fed water mills preferable to a single HV Solar Panel? Answer 3: Read Answer 2. Question 4: Do you have any problems with MV Solars, which produce 64 EU/T? Answer 4: Read Answer 3. Question 5: Do you have any problems with LV Solars, which produce 8 EU/T? Answer 5: Read Answer 4. If you can't comprehend my objection to Compact Solars that i have stated in almost all of my replies to this fairly pointless discussion, then your i don't know what to do at this point as i have stated it many times. Also, there is a very quick and easy way to start playing with Compact Solars: Prerequisites: A computer with internet access Pre-modded Minecraft with Industrialcraft2 Optional: NotEnoughItems or Toomanyitems or some sort of inventory editor or item spawner 1. Open your prefered browser (Firefox, Chrome, IE, etc.) 2. Paste this link into your address: http://forum.industrial-craft.net/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=4827 3. Download the attached zip file. Make sure you download the client zip and NOT the server zip 4. Put the downloaded zip file into your %APPDATA%\.minecraft\mods folder 5. Load Minecraft and choose Single Player and Create a new world or use an existing world and spawn in some Compact Solars!
I have played with CompactSolars. I am well aware of how the mod works. You are dodging my questions with your "Read answer 2" as though that actually answers them. It doesn't. Your complaint, again, as I have said before, is specifically because it is portable. Or, at least, more portable than other solars. You act like it's the easiest thing in the world to make an HV Solar, just put solars in a crafting table and pop! You have an HV solar. Nevermind how much it costs per panel. Nevermind it takes longer to assemble than a Nuclear Reactor. Nevermind gathering all the materials for each HV Panel takes a substantial amount of time. Nevermind it doesn't output more, or less power, than the same amount of materials invested in regular Solar panels. Nevermind all the other concerns about the lag problems associated with mass-Solars or mass-Water mills (For the record I have 288, 128 are operational at the moment. And the only reason that is so is I have been mostly playing SWTOR). Your argument is weak, gk, and you refuse to answer my questions. You dodge with a redirection to your chief complaint: It's a portable power generator! No more portable than Generators fed by charcoal from a Tree farm. No more portable than GeoGenerators plugged into Lava lakes with pipes. No more portable than a quick and dirt Nuclear Generator, since once you have everything made, it's not difficult to move. And most people aren't going to pick it up and carry it everywhere with them. Maybe if they move to another island, and in that case they'd pack up whatever power generation they were using (that wasn't a Compact Solar) wouldn't they? Your complaint boils down to the laughable objection that it's a single block. Boo hoo. That's it?
Way to be insulting Kira, The issue is its EXTREME portability. If everything is made TOO easy the game looses purpose.
Insulting, to someone who is dismissive and condescending? It's hardly unwarranted. But as I suggested: Disable HV and MV panels. LV panels are only 8 panels in one, hardly a lot. And yet much more space efficient and easier to manage than a ton of Solar Panels. Is that so objectionable? Or is something that outputs 8 EU/T in one block totally unreasonable? Nevermind Generators output 10EU/T, GeoGenerators output 20EU/T, and Nuclear Reactors can output thousands with very little setup once you have everything in your inventory. Much that same as any of the CompactSolars. Once everything is made once? It's not hard. I can put up a Nucelar Reactor that can output 1840 EU/T in under 20 minutes. I can take it down in less, stuff it in my inventory, and move. Set it up again, and voila. The only bottleneck is uranium fuel, and that's easy enough to deal with when you have the proper infrastructure.
Yes, it does answer your questions, Kirazy. I'm not 'dodging' them in anyway. They have ths same answer. WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH HV, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH MV, WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH LV. I never phrased it exactly as a "portable power generator". Your obviously new, Kira. I DON'T REFUSE TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS THEY ALL HAVE THE SAME DAMN ANSWERS! Explain to me how my arguement is weak. Ask anyone whos been here since 1.1 Alice. They will most likely tell you the same thing i have told you so many times. Alurios for example
8 EU/T and 64 EU/T and 512 EU/T are all the same? The numbers alone show there is some substantial difference between them. For example, a block that generates 8 EU/T may be more acceptable than one that generates 64 EU/T, which may be significantly more acceptable than one that generates a huge 512 EU/T. You're telling me that you absolutely, positively, cannot accept even an LV Solar Panel? That a block which generates a consistent 8 EU/T is over powered? That it's too portable? Relative to WHAT, pray tell? Your appeal to your duration on this server, and claims of "ASK ANYONE WHO WAS HERE SINCE 1.1 ALICE!" don't do anything to convince me that I should treat LV, MV, and HV solars as equivalent. They are demonstratively not. One is tremendously powerful, another a little powerful, and the other entirely homely and reasonable. And you are telling me that all three of them are unreasonably overpowered. And then you ask me to tell you how your argument is weak? It speaks for itself. I can agree HV solar panels are ridiculous. I can possibly be persuaded to agree about MV solar panels as well. You will not convince me that LV solar panels are over powered or in any other way unreasonable. And before you go and claim I'm putting words in your mouth as your weak, pathetic cop-out, what I wrote above is the logical conclusion of your own arguments. You are so dogmatically obsessed with HV solar panels you cannot take a step back and evaluate the merits of the lesser panels. I may be new HERE, but I am not new to the tech mods.
Using Gknova's logic in this situation would also mean that solar panels are OP also. Because MV Arrays are no less objectionable than their HV counterparts, and yet they are reduced by a factor of eight, and the same Zero reduction of objection and reduction in (Space Occupied รท Output EU/t) between MV and LV; By Extension you (gknova) is calling solar panels themselves OP since the same factor of reduction occurs also.
Kira, you take what i say and twist it into your own words, you have been doing that throughout this discussion. That is too portable. Thing with water mills, generators, etc. is that you need to do something extra to get them going, provide coal to a generator, provide buckets to water mills, provide lava to geotherms. Time to kick it up a notch, you call me weak and pathetic, Kira. Who wants Compact Solars? Who wants things a little easier? I think we need to think who is weak and pathetic here. Ask sk for a copy of Alice 1.1 world and take a look for yourself. EVEN WITH LV SOLAR PANELS. C'mon ask sk89q for some compact solars. You already did today what was his answer? ANd yeah you always fabricate answers i give to you. Example: WHEN THE HELL DID I SAY THAT QUOTE IT Just because your 'not new' to tech mods, doesn't mean your an expert in them. I personally don't think you are. I have been playing Minecraft since Alpha, and i am still not an expert in Vanilla. If you don't like that we don't have OP mods like Compact Solars, here is a server that you should consider joining with Compact Solars that like Alurios said, makes the game lose its purpose: http://killerbeesgaming.com/minecraft
Solar Panels themselves don't. Sorry for starting all this. I'm sure none of us actually mean to be hostile to one another, it just seems this way.
Redstone, quote where in the post where i said that it's all the same. Solar Panels themselves don't what? I tried to end it a few times but Kira kept going. Example of me trying to end it: There are many more times where i say that this discussion is pointless if you guys want Compact Solars but Kira doesn't listen.
